Hello folks. Today is January 10, 2002. I have not written on this page for over a year or possibly longer.However, I received a letter today that was not only quite disturbing but a reaffirmation of what I said in the debate below with a Polygamist who calls himself "Solomon".  This letter should be posted at the end of this page normally but I feel it is so critical to expose the Cults in our society that it gets "headlines" with me.

Polygamy is a very dangerous practice. It is unscriptural, unchristian and not the way of our Lord Jesus. I am going to post the letter exactly as I received it minus the senders email address for her own protection. I fear her life could be in danger should I reveal her identity.  I wanted you to see that it is in fact a valid email and not one of my creations.

You will see that It is very real and is going on with many women involved in Cults even now as you reading  this, sometimes even witnessed by young children. When you finish reading this letter read below about Solomon (and a few others).
 
 

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Sean, aka "SOLOMON", considered a leader in the pro-polygamy movement, underhandedly seduced a woman a mentally woman to be his 3rd wife thinking he could "save her" and has since gotten sick of her and shipped her off to Circle Ville with Steve Butt (another prominent polygamist) and his family because he doesn't want her anymore.

As a former pro-polygamist and abused ex-wife of a polygamist, I can tell you from experience that these men see women as nothing more than sex objects who are disposable human beings. None of these men believe in committment, but only the idea of having more than one wife.

After my "husband" broke my leg and crippled both my knees he also simply dumped me without so much as offering to help me with extensive medical bills. A so called "panel" of patriarchs decided that my husbands physical abuse against me was acceptable! These men who promote polygamy are living in a fantasy world where they think they are kings and women are nothing but inanimate objects put on this world to satisfy their every desire.

Steve Butt of Bfree [This section has been ommited at the request of Steve Butt and my Attorney.]

Rox

Dear Rox,

I am so glad you are out of the relationship. I do not know what Religion they profess to be, although I believe it is the Mormon's who advocate Plural Marriages, but I guarantee you it is not one of God. God does not put His stamp of approval on abuse. Below you will find what God feels is proper treatment of a wife. Breaking her legs is not part of the criteria. I found when corresponding with many Cults that I would see many flaws in their weak interpretations of Scripture. It appeared to me that they were taking a line or two and making it suit their agenda to support their corruption. I always caution people to beware. No Religion is perfect and there are none  that are without flaws. But, some Religions are all wrong.  They serve a different Master. Look for their "fruits". I am going to attach a "Cult" page that I am working on completing to this debate when it is finished. I have been doing some investigating. What is so sad is that what many victims are left with is a pile of nothingness because they "believed and trusted" what they "thought" was from God.

Hugs,
Katerina
 
 

Steve Butt, of Bfree.org apparently has been to this webpage and saw the above letter. Here is the email he sent to me:

Dear Katerina Mavromatis, S.T.A., FirstAngel.com and (also notified the webhost),

Be advised that this email message serves as legal notification to the parties listed above.

The following statement appears on the FirstAngel.com website of Katerina
Mavromatis, S.T.A.:

"Steve Butt of Bfree  [This section has been ommited at the request of my Attorney.]"
[http://www.firstangel.com/polygamy.htm]

Ms. Mavomatis,I'm surprised that someone such as yourself, purporting to be a professional,

To referr to me as "purporting" is slanderous. You said I "purport" to be a professional.

purport -

     1.To have or present the often false appearance of being or intending;

I must assume you are saying that I "present a false appearance". Very slanderous indeed.I find this highly inflammatory and insulting. Definitely libelous. You are essentially calling me a liar.

would publicly post a legally libelous and defamatory statement such as this,

I made no such statements and it certainly is not my opinion of you. Someone else made these remarks. I have not talked with you in-depth to make such a diagnosis. Although after this highly inflammatory letter from you may I suggest some Anger Management Classes?

exposing yourself to suit in court, and exposing your organization and your web host to the same "[ommitted]" (whether spelled correctly or not) are technical psychological terms that refer to conditions that can only be diagnosed by a professional. That these terms appear on the website of a person purporting to be a professional

Again you refer to me as "purporting" to being a professional. Highly inflammatory remarks I would say. Definitely libelous and highly derogatory. I don't think this would do well for you in a Court of Civil Law.

suggests to the reader that a professional evaluation has been made establishing these statements as fact. However, no such professional diagnosis has been made substantiating these statements. These statements are nothing but pure libel and deliberate defamation of character. You are therefore breaking the law by posting these statements on your web site.

I removed them out of courtesy and at the request of my Attorney. You claim you are a public figure having been on TV and writing books. You also have a website promoting Polygamy which is illegal in all 50 States. You are breaking the law.

Remove these statements from your website immediately and post a retraction of same with a public apology for having posted these illegal remarks or be prepared to pay court costs, attorney fees and damages as the penalty for your reprehensible and irresponsible behavior. If these conditions are not met I would expect your web host to remove your site from his/her servers as evidence of non-complicity in your illegal behavior.

The remarks were removed. There will be no public apology. In fact, you owe me an apology for calling me a fraud. I made no statements as to your character (which is highly questionable) on this website, you positively made statements concerning mine.

I do not ever apologize for people who write to me with what they feel is the truth. You are welcome to post a rebuttal to her if you wish here on this website. If you choose to go to Court....so be it. I hope that your wives are keeping  you rich because legal expenses could be phenomenal. It will be a long battle, I assure you. I don't take lightly to threats. When you make threats be sure you are familiar with whom you threaten. They just might take you up on it.

As far as my "illegal behavior"....more slander. You are the one breaking the law by being Polygamous. Not only are you breaking the law but promoting breaking the law to others. I believe the Scriptures have plenty to say about breaking the Law. No excuses like, "We are not legally married but married in the Church." So your Church breaks the law if this is the case. I do not know of any valid Church that is not what I consider "law abiding". You refer to the women on your website as "wives".

Heb13:17

Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. (KJV)
 

Be advised that this is my first and only direct communication with you, offered as a courtesy to give you the opportunity to correct your error without litigation. If you fail to do the right thing any further communication will be through legal representation. What is your response?

Sincerely,

Steve Butt

Definition of Libel: Libel and slander are legal claims for false statements of fact about a person that are printed, broadcast, spoken or otherwise communicated to others.  Libel refers to statements in written or other permanent form, while slander refers to verbal statements and gestures. The term defamation encompasses both libel and slander.

You need to go back to the website that you posted this from and read the rest of it. Let me take this opportunity to teach you a little something about such matters. You have deemed yourself a Pastor. I highly question that you are and will continue to doubt it unless I see some sort of papers stating so from a credible Seminary. You talk about appearing on TV. You have written a smut book about Polygamy and how it is good. This makes you a public figure. Unless you are familiar with the law (which you obviously are not) you will know that public figures come under scrutiny when they choose to be in the public eye as you have done. Public figures, such as myself included, have little recourse to insults, degrading remarks and people prying into their private lives. When you threaten me with a lawsuit, little man, be sure you know what you are doing. Keep one thing in mind as well. When you emailed me this letter became my property. It is addressed to me. When you clicked the "send" button it was mine to do with as I see fit.

I am not a happy camper at the moment. You are the first Polygamist that I have felt like taking to court. Never, and I mean never, come to me and demand I do your bidding. I am not one of your wives. I will never be the wife of a man such as yourself and those like you. I am not that foolish.

I pray you are spared from the hell you lead many into.......
Katerina
 

Church Leader (which you have named yourself Pastor)

I Timothy 3:2

Now the overseer (Pastor), must be above reproach, the husband of but ONE WIFE, temperate, self-controlled, respectable,hospitable, able to teach.

How many do you have? four?
 
 

What God says:

Matt5:19

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (KJV)

Eph 5:33

Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

6Eph5:25

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;  (KJV)

Eph5:28

So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. (KJV)

Col3:19

Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them. (KJV)

Eph5:33

Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. (KJV)

1Pet3:7

Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers. (NIV)
 
 

I would first like to point out all of you who seem to be quoting the Old Testament. If the Old Testament lifestyles are to be honored today then it is permissible for a man to put his wife away (divorce her) simply for burning his toast. They did this way back when. I believe Jesus gives us only two acceptable reasons today for Divorce. One is if she is a non-believer and wants to leave you let her go. And the other is adultery. What happened to the burnt toast? I believe Jesus just buttered it! Polygamy was the way of the land in Old Testament times. It is still the way of the land with Muslims who follow the Q'uran not the Bible and many other Cults of modern times. They also believe Jesus was not the Son of God but a Prophet. I believe this might be considered as anti-Christ? One who does not believe Jesus was God's Son and was not raised from the grave in flesh and bones to save us all. God's words, "Whosoever is not for me is against me." Just pointing out some things. Polygamy is all through the Old Testament and acceptable then. Let's move on.

One more comment. The Holy Spirit. I am realizing alot of you are taking it upon yourselves to play "Holy Spirit" and interpret the Bible to what you "think" it means. The Holy Spirit was given to us to live inside us and teach us. He is also the great interpreter. God says in the last days there will be many false prophets. Many wolves in sheeps clothing. The Holy Spirit is the one who tells us the wrong from the right. There are some passages that are listed on this page, Holy Spirit. They are too long to list here. Check it out for a further understanding of who the Holy Spirit is and what He does..

Ok let's get started. Below are letters I received from some men who are polygamous and some who defend polygamy and a woman in a polygamous relationship. I would like to hear from women who are involved in such a relationship as to their feelings towards their husband.

And for you men out there who are having polygamous relationships who keep sending me Old Testament scriptures.. I hope your wives are not working and you are supporting all of them and buying them equal "everything". And you are spending "equal, quality" time with each and every one. This was also a requirement of having more than one wife in Old Testament times. I seriously doubt you all are doing this and it would be my guess most of them or even some of them have a paycheck coming in which I am sure you do not object to or they would not be getting one. If you are going to back up your actions with scripture then you need to live the scriptures completely.
 
 

These letters were sent to Solomon and cc-ed to me:

"I just came from your website. Why is Katerina's letter the only one there? How come you do not have more there? She has many. I think you made yours up. I know you did since you are blackmailing me before you post it. I am writing to Katerina. What you did to her is not Christianly. She only defended herself. You just showed me you do not put the truth there only what makes you and your sickness look good. I am writing to Katerina and sending her this letter too. I know she won't blackmail me. She will just print it. She won't request anything in return. Like you did. I am sending my entire church to your site. They will pray for you. I saw the pics of those looking for "more". I can see why they are looking for more. Who else would want them.

Anna Miller (use my name)

The "more" is referring to an online dating service for Plural Marriages. There is a link from Solomon's website to this particular page.
 

"You have so much hostility for a man who puts himeself in the same catagory with Jesus Christ. Jesus was a man of great humility. A small few who diagree with you? My whole Church disagrees with you as well as alot of others. The people who do write to you, you crucify on your site. I noticed some guy on there who you made a fool out of. It is like I said... if it makes you look bad you don't print it. Oh well, another false prophet the Bible speaks of. As far as the pics, I am sure your wives are ugly. Why would they be with you. They are probably lazy or they would want someone to share their responsiblities and I am sure they have no respect for themselves or they wouldn't agree to your selfishness."
 
 

Hello Anna,

Thanks for the interesting letters. Solomon and I had a debate going for a time but it has since ended. There was no more to discuss although I saw on his ambivolous website that he states he as beaten me profoundly. Yet he says that deliberately picking up a cigar and puffing on it is the same as standing in smoggy Los Angeles and breathing in the air. Both not a sin, he says. But he says cigarettes are a sin. Hmmm. I believe both cigars and cigarettes have tobacco in them. I believe it is a matter of choice to pick them up and puff on them. I believe both go into your body. This tells me he smokes cigars. I believe in the philosophy that if you have nothing good to say about someone you should keep quiet. This is what I will do in this instance concerning him. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinions. I print peoples letters as they are written to me with no alterations. And in the context they are written in. I do not place them where they will benefit me the most. I believe Solomon did this with one of my first letters I wrote to him before I got to know him and he used it as an endorsement of his website.

Anyone may write to me. Letter's are chosen according to needs of the person who writes them. I also choose them according to whether or not they can benefit others who come to the website with similar problems. Again thanks for writing and sending the letters.
 

Next letter....
 

First Angel:

"I did not mean that a woman should NOT be allowed the same rights as the man. Far
from it! My SO has many more long term relationship partners that I do and I find nothing
wrong with it. From time to time we get together with each other's partner and have a
meal or coffee so everyone knows that it is okay with BOTH of us."

Polygamous

This sounds like an Orgy to me......

Katerina
 

Next letter....
 

"Hold on their a minute Katerina - I think you skipped a track.

First off, the Bible wasn't written in English - so the English words we read are those which are closest to what is meant - but not exactly."

The original Bible is written in Ancient Greek. And you are correct. The original Bible is not completely translatable. In order to completely understand it you need to learn "Old Greek". But this is why God has given us the Holy Spirit. So the Word could live in us.

"For example, Adultery, any Bible dictionary will tell you that the meaning for "Adultery" is, "Intercourse between a married woman and a man who is not her husband." Although women's rights groups might not like what the Bible says - that is what it says."

 "She receives fulfillment from other male friends/lovers that I am not able to give her and likewise with me. We are human and need interaction and satisfaction. It would be WRONG if you were not "on the other side of the door" with him or had someone you could be with. Poly is NEVER one sided, that is abuse or cheating to us."

"We have had multiple people in bed together when ALL parties wanted it or had our fun in different rooms if that is the way it is wanted. She only goes to their home if SHE feels safe with then and likewise with the woman who comes over here."

"Anyone who is married must "prove" that their SO is aware of the encounters and allows it. We do that by calling and talking to both of them or meeting them in public for coffee or something."

"I DO believe the woman HAS the RIGHT to have more than one husband and encourage her to develop that type of relationship IF SHE WANTS HIM"

"Hope I cleared it up?"

Ed
 

This is not Adultery?

Katerina
 

Proverbs 6:32

But a man who commits adultery lacks judgment; whoever does so destroys
himself  (please take note...it says "man").

Adultery is when a married person has sex with someone other than his or her spouse. You conviently left the "male" part out. As you have so estutely put it only a woman can commit adultery. I believe it was Jesus who said when a man has a wife and looks upon another with lust he commits adultery in his heart. How can a man marry a woman he has absolutely no feelings for whatsoever? And we also know that sex is a big part of marriage. How can a man have sex and fulfill his wifes needs without sexual desire? So if he takes a second "wife" he should feel these things for her. If he has a wife already when these feeling appear..then what? Adultery? Polyamists say no. Jesus says yes.

"Most major churches (like Baptist) agree and many converts in Muslim countries are not required to get rid of their wives."

I would be interested in you emailing me some Baptist Churches who approve of Plural Marriages.

"There is a little problem in some of your advice too. The Bible says,"

James 1:13

When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;

What does this have to do with Polygamy? God is not "temptable". Our God is a fair God.

"And the Bible says,

Mal 3:6 "

I the LORD do not change."

This is very true also. So in light of this we must take the New Testament as God's Law also. Given the fact that Elders and Decons and High Ones of the Church were to set Holy examples for the congregations to follow and live by I think alot is being discredited here. Such as the scriptures that say they are only permitted ONE WIFE.

"And God in the Bible said to David,

2 Sam 12:8

I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms. I gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more.

Again more quotes from the Old Testament and their lifestyle. Also in the Old Testament referring to homosexuality God says "if a man visit you and have sexual desire for you it is better for you to give him you daughter then defile yourself." Do you think this is a good practice for today? Notice he does not say to the person to give him one of your wives. I believe the Old Testament gives us the history of the ways of the land at that time it was written and it serves as a basis for the New Testament.

"It is clear that God gave David all the wives of Saul - "And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more." If the God who does not change gave David all these wives - the only thing logical to conclude was that it was not evil!"

It was not evil in those times. It was part of the culture. No, God does not change. But he realized man had gone astray with how he was supposed to live. Otherwise why did he destroy the world? Why did the rains come for 40 days and 40 nights? Also let me point out that in those times all men who had more then one wife had to support each and everyone of them. Giving them equal in monetary value and affection. In the Muslim religion this is still so. Muslim's believe if a man is not capable of supporting all of them and is not capable of caring for each and every one of them "equally" he is not permitted to have them. Ask any Muslim.

"I think it is interesting that you pointed out Moses - a man with (at least) two wives - from two different regions! And considers these words of God, written by Moses in conjunction with the Ten commandments..."

If you are going to say part of the Old Testament is true and "ok" as basing today's standard of living by then you must say the entire Old Testament is to be lived by today. Then we must still wait for the first coming of the Messiah also. I guess this kind changes things for today, right? Those who are still waiting for the first coming of God's promised Son do not apparently beleive Jesus is who he said he was. I am glad I do not believe this is so.

(Exo 20:14 NIV) "You shall not commit adultery.

(Exo 20:22 NIV) Then the LORD said to Moses, "Tell the Israelites this:

(Exo 21:1 NIV) "These are the laws you are to set before them:

(Exo 21:10 NIV) If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights.

And all wives must be treated equally accordingly. Let's remember Kings could afford to do this.

Deu 21:15-17

If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love. He must acknowledge the son of his unloved wife as the firstborn by giving him a double share of all he has. That son is the first sign of his father's strength. The right of the firstborn belongs to him."

"If a man having two wives was wrong, why make laws to conduct the affairs of the family? Why tell a man that if he gets another wife to not deprive the first of food, clothing and sex! Why the rule about giving the right of the firstborn (two parts instead of one) to the real first born? God is very exact about death for homosexuals, death for rape, death for sleeping with your mother or with an animal - but for having two wives - just give the right of the firstborn to the real first born - and not the firstborn of your favorite wife!"

Again, many examples in the Bible of "what not to do". Some interpret these examples as meaning if it is there in the Bible it is ok to do it. I am sure this is not God's intention. Men are head of the household. Men are the final decision makers. However, a man should hold is wife and family second in his heart only to God. He should, as God's servent, put them ahead of himself. Are you polygamous men doing this? Do you take into consideration your wives opinions before you make the final decison? This means you must contemplate many decison from many woman.

2 Chr 24:2-3

Joash did what was right in the eyes of the LORD all the years of Jehoiada the priest. Jehoiada chose two wives for him, and he had sons and daughters."

"Wow, look at this... Jehoiada the priest - the man of God at that time - chose two wives for King Joash. Joash has sons and daughters with these two wives and the God that does not change says... "Joash did what was right in the eyes of the LORD all the years of Jehoiada the priest." Having two wives, with sons and daughters, was right in the eyes of the Lord!"

Wow, look at this..more Old Testament. I have yet to see much in the New Testament on the subject from anyone.

"Well, Katerina, these are just some of the holes that can be poked into your advice (there are many others). If you are going to give advice from the Bible, I suggest you read it!"

My dear friend, if you are going to support Plural Marriages, I suggest you support it properly. I have seen nothing but Old Testament history lessons. Nothing from Jesus to that says "a man may have more than one wife" or "I give my blessing on a man who has a legal wife in th eyes of God who is looking upong another with desires of the flesh."

"I'd almost bet you don't print this, but if you do, please withhold my email address."

Done.

"There are a number of web sites out there that deal with the truth about this issue - perhaps www.bfree.org is the best (I have no connection with them, but they have a number of links too)."

www.bfree.org ??? bfree? hmm...isn't this like saying there is freedom in bondage. Kind of like
an oxymoron. I see you are quoting from the NIV. According to my friend below he seems to feel that the NIV has misconstrewed what the Bible truly says..

Sincerely,

David

"PS for your information, I am happily married to one woman."

But is she happily married to you? With the views you hold of women I sincerely doubt if you rule your wife as God rules his Church. A major requirement for a husband who professes our Lord. There are many cult websites out there. I have read alot of them that people have emailed me to prove to me that polygamy is right. I have yet to find "one website" which follows the Bible in it's entirelty and serves God Almighty completely that is related to current day Polygamy.

Katerina
 
 

Please feel free to send your comments, evidence, facts and fallacies to me. If you put POLYGAMY in the subject line the letter will reach me much quicker.  I promise they will all be read by me. I cannot comment on all letters here as I do not have enough webspace to do so. I will privately answer all serious ones that I do not post here. Please go to the next page to see Solomon's debate with me and his website that is now greatly modified.